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COA red flag compilation — what worked for you?

alex_tucson Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 9:15 PM 20 replies 1,640 viewsPage 1 of 4
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Sep 10, 2025 at 9:15 PM#1

Putting this up for argument rather than for agreement. I have read it twice and I am still not certain what it supports.

The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product. A bad batch comes with communication, a reshipment offer and a batch number. An exit comes with slower replies, pressure toward less reversible payment methods, sudden discounting, and the same reassurance repeated without any new information. The product tells you less than the correspondence does.

Where I think it is weakest: the completion rate deserves as much attention as the headline, because a large effect among those who finished is a different claim from a large effect among those enrolled.

What I am after is what a vetting checklist should actually contain, as opposed to a list of things that are easy to fake. If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Sep 10, 2025 at 9:28 PM#2
alex_tucson said:
The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product.

Agreeing with alex_tucson, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The useful checklist is about verifiability rather than presentation. Independent test results commissioned by buyers rather than by the seller, consistency across multiple batches over time rather than one flattering report, a physical address and a company registration that resolve, batch and lot numbers on the actual labelling, and a shipping practice that matches what the material needs. Everything a good-looking website provides is cheap to fake; none of the items above are.

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Sep 10, 2025 at 9:41 PM#3
alex_tucson said:
The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product.

I disagree that testing history is decisive. It tells you what a supplier did when they were being watched. Continuity of behaviour under stress — a late shipment, a failed test, a complaint — is more predictive than any run of good results.

That is the short version; the long version is somebody else's post.

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Sep 10, 2025 at 9:54 PM#4

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion. Synthesis, testing, and cold-chain shipping have floors. A price well under the floor means something was skipped, and the two things that get skipped are testing and content.

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Sep 10, 2025 at 11:04 PM#5
Dr.SportsMedIN said:
The useful checklist is about verifiability rather than presentation.

Agreed, and mass spec answers a question purity does not: identity. High purity tells you one thing dominates the chromatogram, not that it is the molecule you ordered. A mass within about a dalton of expected is the identity check.

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