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SOUL trial preliminary data — need advice

roxy_nash Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 8:00 PM 11 replies 847 viewsPage 2 of 3
bri_stats
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Mar 23, 2026 at 10:03 PM#6
roxy_nash said:
Relative and absolute effects need reading together.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Mar 23, 2026 at 10:51 PM#7

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

What would you measure differently if you were starting again?

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Mar 23, 2026 at 11:39 PM#8
bri_stats said:
Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals.
bri_stats said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 22 RCTs (n=18,900) found that the trial evidence was associated with a consistent effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 20, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Mar 24, 2026 at 12:27 AM#9

Closing the loop on my own question.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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Mar 24, 2026 at 4:18 AM#10
Dr.GastroMayo said:
bri_stats said: ...regarding the trial evidence...

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.80 (95% CI 0.72-0.85), I²=53%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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