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Retatrutide and blood pressure — 6 month update

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Dr.SurgeonPGH
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May 23, 2024 at 6:58 AM#16

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters. Unlike most lipid markers, Lp(a) is 90%+ genetically determined and doesn't really change with weight loss or GLP-1 therapy.

My Lp(a) has remained at 68 nmol/L across all time points. If yours is elevated (>50 nmol/L), you need additional risk mitigation strategies regardless of your GLP-1 response. Don't assume your medication is covering all cardiovascular risk factors.

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PurityPaulOR
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May 23, 2024 at 5:21 PM#17
Dr.SurgeonPGH said:
Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters.

Same experience, arrived at from the opposite direction. Nothing to add that would improve it.

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May 24, 2024 at 3:44 AM#18
Dr.SurgeonPGH said:
Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters.

Adding the part of the answer the thread has not reached. The glucagon component looks paradoxical and is not. Glucagon receptor agonism raises energy expenditure and drives hepatic fatty-acid oxidation, and its hyperglycaemic tendency is offset by the GLP-1 arm's insulin secretagogue effect. Net result: intake down from GLP-1/GIP, expenditure up from glucagon, glycaemia neutral or improved. It is a balancing act, and it is why the liver-fat results are the most interesting part of the dataset.

Worth separating that from retatrutide, which this thread keeps folding into the same question. They behave differently and the advice does not transfer.

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May 24, 2024 at 2:07 PM#19
Dr.SurgeonPGH said:
Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters.

Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated with lower BMI also show associations with reduced cardiovascular risk, confirming a causal pathway[1].

This "natural experiment" (people born with genetically higher GLP-1 signaling being leaner and healthier) provides orthogonal evidence supporting the pharmacological approach. When genetic epidemiology, clinical trials, and mechanistic studies all converge, confidence in the therapeutic approach is high.

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[1] Zheng SL, et al. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol. 2023;11(12):869-879.
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May 25, 2024 at 12:29 AM#20

Moderator note: leaving this open. It is being argued well and the disagreement is the useful part. Tagging this one for the weekly digest.

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