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Echocardiographic changes on GLP-1 — anyone have experience?

pete_manc_UK Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:25 PM 12 replies 2,022 viewsPage 3 of 3
kate.chem
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Apr 22, 2024 at 8:15 AM#11
Dr.RaviCardio said:
Dr.LipidDallas said: ...cardiovascular risk is just another fad...

NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

From SELECT trial: MACE at 39 months — 6.5% semaglutide vs 8.0% placebo. ARR = 1.5%. NNT = 67 over 3.3 years.

Compare to established therapies:

InterventionNNTTimeframe
Semaglutide (MACE)673.3 years
Statins primary prevention (MI)~1005 years
Aspirin secondary prevention~772 years

These NNTs are clinically meaningful and comparable to accepted cardiovascular interventions.

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Apr 23, 2024 at 8:36 PM#12
LipidDoc_ATL said:
SUSTAIN-6 was the first CVOT to show cardiovascular benefit with semaglutide, relevant to cardiovascular risk.

Thank you for spelling out the reasoning rather than just the conclusion.

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Apr 25, 2024 at 8:56 AM#13
Dr.RaviCardio said:
Dr.LipidDallas said: ...cardiovascular risk is just another fad...

Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated with lower BMI also show associations with reduced cardiovascular risk, confirming a causal pathway[1].

This "natural experiment" (people born with genetically higher GLP-1 signaling being leaner and healthier) provides orthogonal evidence supporting the pharmacological approach. When genetic epidemiology, clinical trials, and mechanistic studies all converge, confidence in the therapeutic approach is high.

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[1] Zheng SL, et al. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol. 2023;11(12):869-879.
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Apr 26, 2024 at 9:16 PM#14
pete_manc_UK said:
My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

Cardiac biomarkers and cardiovascular risk: my cardiologist ordered advanced cardiac labs given my family history. Results were encouraging:

  • NT-proBNP: 65 pg/mL (normal, cardiac function preserved)
  • Lp(a): 45 nmol/L (genetic, unchanged — expected)
  • ApoB: dropped from 155 to 90 mg/dL (excellent response)
  • Coronary calcium score: 0 (unchanged from baseline — reassuring)

The ApoB reduction is particularly meaningful — it's considered the best single predictor of cardiovascular risk. GLP-1 therapy seems to improve this consistently.

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Apr 28, 2024 at 9:35 AM#15

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