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ForumsCardiovascular OutcomesDo the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input Page 4

Do the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input

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Nov 5, 2024 at 5:40 AM#16
sarah_TO said:
6 month update on cardiovascular risk: down 58 lbs, off blood pressure meds, A1C normalized.

Same experience, arrived at from the opposite direction. Posting only so the count is not one.

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Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 AM#17

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of GLP-1 agonists and cardiovascular risk: beyond weight loss, GLP-1R activation directly suppresses NF-κB signaling, reduces NLRP3 inflammasome activation, and decreases monocyte/macrophage adhesion to endothelium[1].

Clinical correlates: hsCRP reduction of 30-60% (consistently seen across trials), reduced carotid intima-media thickness, and decreased coronary plaque inflammation on PET imaging.

These anti-inflammatory effects likely contribute to the cardiovascular benefit seen in SELECT — and may explain benefits beyond what weight loss alone would predict.

References:
[1] Hogan AE, et al. Diabetologia. 2014;57(4):781-784.
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Nov 9, 2024 at 7:19 AM#18
anna.melb_AU said:
Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of GLP-1 agonists and cardiovascular risk: beyond weight loss, GLP-1R activation directly suppresses NF-κB signaling,…

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth. Nothing to add that would improve it.

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anna.melb_AU said:
Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of GLP-1 agonists and cardiovascular risk: beyond weight loss, GLP-1R activation directly suppresses NF-κB signaling,…

I want to bring up the cardiovascular angle on cardiovascular risk.

The SELECT trial demonstrated a 20% reduction in MACE with semaglutide 2.4mg[1]. This is practice-changing because the CV benefit appears to be independent of the degree of weight loss — suggesting direct vascular and anti-inflammatory mechanisms.

For cardiovascular risk, this means we need to think beyond the primary outcome and consider the cardiovascular implications. The all-cause mortality reduction (HR 0.81) is the most clinically meaningful signal.

References:
[1] Lincoff AM, et al. N Engl J Med. 2023;389(24):2221-2232.
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Nov 13, 2024 at 8:54 AM#20

Moderator note: leaving this open. It is being argued well and the disagreement is the useful part. No action needed from anybody.

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