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Heart failure hospitalization reduction on semaglutide — need advice

cory_ATX Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:52 AM 12 replies 1,708 viewsPage 3 of 3
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Jan 10, 2025 at 1:44 AM#11
BariatricNurseD said:
Steady state is the thing most people miss.

Bookmarking. The distinction being drawn above is the one nobody else makes. Adding it to my notes with a link back to this thread.

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Jan 10, 2025 at 9:19 AM#12

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Senior perspective on cardiovascular risk: I'm 62 years old and started this journey skeptically. My cardiologist recommended it after years of failed interventions.

14 months later: down 55 lbs, more mobile, pain reduced, medications simplified. My quality of life has improved dramatically. I wish this existed 20 years ago.

To other older adults hesitating: the SELECT trial proved benefit in our age group. You deserve to feel good in your body regardless of age.

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Jan 10, 2025 at 4:54 PM#13
sophie_paris said:
Albumin binding above 99% is the whole reason weekly dosing works, and it is also why the trough matters more than the peak.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. The trial means are being read too generously in this thread. STEP populations were selected, supported, and titrated by protocol, and the real-world curves are consistently a few points worse. That difference is not noise, it is what happens when you remove the study infrastructure.

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cory_ATX said:
SELECT is the trial that changed the framing of this class, because it was an outcome trial rather than a weight trial: about a 20% relative reduction…
cory_ATX said:
...cardiovascular risk is just another fad...

I understand the skepticism — we've all seen "miracle" weight loss solutions come and go. But consider what makes GLP-1 agonists different:

  • Phase 3 RCTs with thousands of participants (not 20-person pilot studies)
  • Published in NEJM, JAMA, Lancet (not press releases)
  • Replicated across multiple independent research groups
  • Proven cardiovascular and renal benefits beyond weight loss
  • Biological mechanism fully characterized at the receptor level

This isn't a fad — it's a new drug class supported by the highest level of clinical evidence. The comparison to past fads is understandable but inappropriate.

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Jan 11, 2025 at 8:04 AM#15

Moderator note: good thread. Keeping it here rather than moving it, because the question is general enough to be useful. Carry on.

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