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GLP-1 and arterial inflammation — what worked for you?

PeptideSynthNJ Mon, May 26, 2025 at 3:55 AM 14 replies 1,510 viewsPage 2 of 3
TirzTom
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May 26, 2025 at 1:12 PM#6
InsuranceTom said:
6 month update on cardiovascular risk: down 35 lbs, off blood pressure meds, A1C normalized.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. The "earlier than weight loss explains" argument is weaker than this thread makes it sound. Blood pressure and inflammatory markers move fast and are downstream of early weight loss, so the mechanism is not as cleanly separable as the summaries imply.

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May 26, 2025 at 4:53 PM#7
PeptideSynthNJ said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters. Unlike most lipid markers, Lp(a) is 90%+ genetically determined and doesn't really change with weight loss or GLP-1 therapy.

My Lp(a) has remained at 79 nmol/L across all time points. If yours is elevated (>50 nmol/L), you need additional risk mitigation strategies regardless of your GLP-1 response. Don't assume your medication is covering all cardiovascular risk factors.

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May 26, 2025 at 8:34 PM#8
TirzTom said:
The "earlier than weight loss explains" argument is weaker than this thread makes it sound.

NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

From SELECT trial: MACE at 39 months — 6.5% semaglutide vs 8.0% placebo. ARR = 1.5%. NNT = 67 over 3.3 years.

Compare to established therapies:

InterventionNNTTimeframe
Semaglutide (MACE)673.3 years
Statins primary prevention (MI)~1005 years
Aspirin secondary prevention~772 years

These NNTs are clinically meaningful and comparable to accepted cardiovascular interventions.

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May 27, 2025 at 12:15 AM#9

Following on from Dr.ObesityMed — and this may be the naive question:

Was that from a primary source or from a summary of one?

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May 27, 2025 at 5:55 PM#10
hans_munich said:
NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of GLP-1 agonists and cardiovascular risk: beyond weight loss, GLP-1R activation directly suppresses NF-κB signaling, reduces NLRP3 inflammasome activation, and decreases monocyte/macrophage adhesion to endothelium[1].

Clinical correlates: hsCRP reduction of 30-60% (consistently seen across trials), reduced carotid intima-media thickness, and decreased coronary plaque inflammation on PET imaging.

These anti-inflammatory effects likely contribute to the cardiovascular benefit seen in SELECT — and may explain benefits beyond what weight loss alone would predict.

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[1] Hogan AE, et al. Diabetologia. 2014;57(4):781-784.
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