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Peptide oxidation and deamidation — my results so far

WendyG_ATL Fri, May 16, 2025 at 8:30 AM 12 replies 1,556 viewsPage 1 of 3
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WendyG_ATL
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May 16, 2025 at 8:30 AM#1

Two pharmacies quoted me last year, one describing itself as 503A and one as 503B, and I assumed 503B just meant bigger until both stopped within weeks of each other.

What would genuinely help is knowing what actually distinguishes 503A from 503B, in terms of what each may make and from what starting material.

Happy to be told the question itself is wrong.

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May 16, 2025 at 8:46 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Resolution therefore closed the doors unevenly, and the asymmetry follows from the bulks lists. For 503B the shortage clause was the only route to these molecules, so that route shut completely. A 503A pharmacy can still argue a doorway via "component of an approved drug" — but only for the substance in the form present in the approved product, which is exactly where the base-versus-salt argument lives, and it does nothing about the copy restriction, which came back into force on resolution.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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May 16, 2025 at 9:02 AM#3
DataDave said:
Resolution therefore closed the doors unevenly, and the asymmetry follows from the bulks lists.

Agreeing with DataDave, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. Worth adding the genuine exception, because it is real and narrow: a change made for an identified patient where the prescriber determines it produces a significant clinical difference for that patient. A grid of fixed doses offered to everybody is not that, whatever the intake form says.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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May 16, 2025 at 9:18 AM#4
WendyG_ATL said:
Two pharmacies quoted me last year, one describing itself as 503A and one as 503B, and I assumed 503B just meant bigger until both stopped within…

Can confirm the pattern WendyG_ATL describes. The shortage clause is the answer to the second question and it is a subtraction rather than an addition. Both exemptions forbid compounding something that is essentially a copy of a commercially available approved product. A product FDA has listed as in shortage is not treated as commercially available, so listing removed the objection that otherwise blocked compounding. It never created a permission; it withdrew a prohibition, which is why it evaporated the moment the supply fact changed.

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May 16, 2025 at 10:44 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Regarding compounded supply compounding legality: compounding pharmacies can legally produce semaglutide and tirzepatide while these drugs remain on the FDA shortage list. If/when the shortage resolves, the legal landscape may change.

Stay informed. The FDA shortage list is updated regularly. Current status as of my last check: semaglutide still in shortage, tirzepatide removed from shortage list. This directly impacts compounding availability.

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