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Has anyone dealt with bone broth and collagen?

DanielChem_CHI Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 7:47 AM 14 replies 1,912 viewsPage 1 of 3
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DanielChem_CHI
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Jun 13, 2024 at 7:47 AM#1

My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat more.

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

What I am after is how people are hitting a protein target on a genuinely suppressed appetite, because volume is the binding constraint rather than willingness.

Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

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Dr.PeteFamMed
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Jun 13, 2024 at 7:53 AM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 7:59 AM#3
Dr.PeteFamMed said:
Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing.

Agreed on the target, with the caveat that reference weight and current weight are different numbers. Using current weight at the start of a large loss produces a target that is both unachievable and unnecessary.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 8:05 AM#4
DanielChem_CHI said:
My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. On a suppressed appetite the winning strategy is protein density per unit of volume, not per calorie. Isolate powders, Greek yoghurt and cottage cheese, egg whites, lean fish, and tinned tuna all deliver a lot of protein in a small physical volume. Front-load it: appetite is usually least suppressed in the first hours after waking and worst on the day or two after dosing, so get the majority in early in the day and early in the week.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 8:34 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass251 lbs236 lbs208 lbs
Fat mass111 lbs71 lbs43 lbs
Lean mass149 lbs154 lbs155 lbs
Body fat %44%34%22%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.5g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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