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Anyone else get weird vivid dreams on sema?? — July 2024

JessicaH_TX Sat, Aug 17, 2024 at 4:48 AM 14 replies 1,968 viewsPage 1 of 3
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JessicaH_TX
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Aug 17, 2024 at 4:48 AM#1

Nausea arrived on day two of each dose step, lasted about four days, and disappeared entirely by the second week — until the step where it did not.

Trial-level incidence runs roughly 20 to 25% for nausea at the higher dose tiers and 12 to 17% for diarrhoea, with most events mild to moderate and concentrated in the weeks after each escalation.

The narrow version of the question is whether holding at a lower dose for longer actually reduces total side-effect burden or just spreads it out.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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COA_Karl
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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:10 AM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. The practical protocol is dull and it works: smaller meals, stop eating at the first sign of fullness rather than at the end of the plate, drop the fat fraction of meals in the two days after dosing, and do not lie down straight after eating. Most of what people call unmanageable nausea is a meal-size and meal-composition problem interacting with a stomach that is emptying slowly.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:32 AM#3
COA_Karl said:
The practical protocol is dull and it works: smaller meals, stop eating at the first sign of fullness rather than at the end of the plate, drop the…

Agreed on adaptation, with a caveat: adaptation applies to gastric emptying and not to everything. If your problem is the aversion rather than the fullness, waiting does less, because the aversion is central and it is the mechanism working as intended.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:54 AM#4
JessicaH_TX said:
Nausea arrived on day two of each dose step, lasted about four days, and disappeared entirely by the second week — until the step where it did not.

Can confirm the pattern JessicaH_TX describes. Holding genuinely reduces total burden rather than redistributing it, because the gastric-emptying component adapts. Receptor-level tachyphylaxis to the delayed-emptying effect develops over weeks while the central appetite effect persists, so the same dose is materially more comfortable at week six than at week two. A slower ladder therefore reaches the same dose with less cumulative nausea, not the same nausea spread thinner.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 7:54 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly. The honest answer is that the effect is real, the magnitude is contested, and the individual variation is larger than either. Those three things can all be true at once, and most arguments here are two people holding different parts of that.

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