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People keep asking if I am sick and it is getting old — my results so far

KevinCompounds Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 4:56 AM 14 replies 1,830 viewsPage 1 of 3
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KevinCompounds
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Feb 12, 2025 at 4:56 AM#1

Nausea arrived on day two of each dose step, lasted about four days, and disappeared entirely by the second week — until the step where it did not.

Trial-level incidence runs roughly 20 to 25% for nausea at the higher dose tiers and 12 to 17% for diarrhoea, with most events mild to moderate and concentrated in the weeks after each escalation.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is whether holding at a lower dose for longer actually reduces total side-effect burden or just spreads it out.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Feb 12, 2025 at 7:06 AM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The line between titrate-through and stop is not severity, it is trajectory and what else is present. Nausea that peaks and improves within a week is the expected pattern. Nausea that is escalating, or that comes with severe upper-abdominal pain radiating to the back, or that prevents fluids for more than a day, is a different conversation and belongs with a clinician the same day.

I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.

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Feb 12, 2025 at 9:16 AM#3
Dr.CardioMD said:
The line between titrate-through and stop is not severity, it is trajectory and what else is present.

No disagreement with Dr.CardioMD. One condition attached. The meal advice is right and incomplete without the hydration point. People stop drinking because drinking makes them feel full, then attribute dehydration symptoms to the drug.

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Feb 12, 2025 at 11:26 AM#4
KevinCompounds said:
Nausea arrived on day two of each dose step, lasted about four days, and disappeared entirely by the second week — until the step where it did not.

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. The practical protocol is dull and it works: smaller meals, stop eating at the first sign of fullness rather than at the end of the plate, drop the fat fraction of meals in the two days after dosing, and do not lie down straight after eating. Most of what people call unmanageable nausea is a meal-size and meal-composition problem interacting with a stomach that is emptying slowly.

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Feb 13, 2025 at 12:19 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

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