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Triathlon training while on tirzepatide — anyone have experience?

Dr.PainCLE Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 1:33 AM 14 replies 2,049 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Dr.PainCLE
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Jun 26, 2024 at 1:33 AM#1

A reference post rather than a discussion. Corrections are the point; I would rather this be right than mine. It is about tirzepatide, and it is deliberately narrow — everything I am not confident about is marked as such.

What is actually established

The GIP arm is doing real work rather than padding the label. GIP receptor agonism appears to improve adipose insulin sensitivity and lipid handling, and — counter-intuitively — GIP signalling in the CNS reduces nausea rather than adding to it, which is why tolerability at high total agonism is better than the GLP-1-only comparison would predict. SURPASS-2 is the cleanest head-to-head: tirzepatide beat semaglutide 1mg at every dose tier.

The condition it depends on

The caveat that the head-to-head used semaglutide 1mg, not 2.4mg. It is still the best direct evidence available, but it is not the comparison most people think they are citing.

The practical version

Practical numbers: half-life about 5 days, steady state 3 to 4 weeks, ladder 2.5 / 5 / 7.5 / 10 / 12.5 / 15mg, and the maintenance doses with published data behind them are 5, 10 and 15mg.

What I am not sure about

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: whether anyone has held 10mg long term rather than climbing, and what happened over the following year. Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

— Dr.PainCLE · corrections welcome and will be edited into this post with credit
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Jun 26, 2024 at 2:58 AM#2
Dr.PainCLE said:
The GIP arm is doing real work rather than padding the label.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. Steady state is faster than people expect: half-life about five days, so you are at plateau in roughly three to four weeks rather than five. That matters when you are deciding whether a dose step has finished expressing itself.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 4:23 AM#3
Dr.PainCLE said:
The GIP arm is doing real work rather than padding the label.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. The "tirzepatide is simply better" summary irritates me. It is better on mean weight loss, and the cardiovascular outcome evidence is far thinner than semaglutide's. If the reason for treating is cardiovascular risk rather than weight, the evidence base points the other way.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 5:48 AM#4

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. SURMOUNT-1 landed around 20.9% mean weight loss at 15mg over 72 weeks, against roughly 15% for semaglutide 2.4mg in STEP 1. Different trials, different populations, so the comparison is indicative rather than decisive — but SURPASS-2 was a genuine head-to-head and it pointed the same way.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 2:03 PM#5
TirzTom said:
Steady state is faster than people expect: half-life about five days, so you are at plateau in roughly three to four weeks rather than five.

Agreed, with the caveat that "exercise" for someone with mobility limitations is a different set of options, and the standard advice is written as though everyone can walk for an hour.

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