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Semaglutide liver fat quantification — what worked for you?

TomTeleRx Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 1:00 PM 11 replies 1,997 viewsPage 1 of 3
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TomTeleRx
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Aug 30, 2024 at 1:00 PM#1

Started at 0.25mg with a fairly bad first week, held each step the full four weeks, and I am now at 1mg with no side effects worth naming.

What I am trying to establish is what the dose-response curve actually looks like above 1.7mg, because the trial means hide how few people account for the extra loss.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 1:22 PM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central. GLP-1 receptor agonism in the arcuate nucleus stimulates POMC neurons and suppresses AgRP/NPY signalling, which is why the effect is appetite and food salience rather than physical fullness. Delayed gastric emptying largely tachyphylaxes over the first months; the appetite effect does not.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 1:44 PM#3
COA_Karl said:
The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central.

No disagreement with COA_Karl. One condition attached. Albumin binding above 99% is the whole reason weekly dosing works, and it is also why the trough matters more than the peak. People who dose late are not losing a peak, they are letting the trough fall, and the appetite effect tracks the trough.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 2:06 PM#4
TomTeleRx said:
Started at 0.25mg with a fairly bad first week, held each step the full four weeks, and I am now at 1mg with no side effects worth naming.

That holds for the injectable. The oral formulation has different absorption behaviour and the dose numbers are not interchangeable, which is worth saying out loud because people quote them as if they were.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 4:07 PM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

TomTeleRx said:
...but the FDA says semaglutide...

Interesting point. I want to add some regulatory nuance: the FDA labeling reflects the specific clinical trial data submitted for approval. Real-world clinical practice often extends beyond the FDA label based on emerging evidence and clinical judgment.

Example: semaglutide was first approved for diabetes (Ozempic), then obesity (Wegovy). The molecule didn't change — our understanding of its applications expanded. Similarly, semaglutide may evolve as more data accumulates.

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