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Liver biopsy changes on semaglutide — looking for input

Dr.GutHealth Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18 AM 29 replies 2,184 viewsPage 4 of 6
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Oct 26, 2024 at 7:08 AM#16
pete_nash said:
Dr.GutHealth said: ...but the FDA says semaglutide...

Agreed, and ALT falling is not the same as fibrosis improving. Enzymes are a crude proxy; FIB-4 or elastography is what tells you about the thing that matters.

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Oct 26, 2024 at 9:57 PM#17

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice. Whatever the answer turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, and invite the correction. That is slower than asserting, and it is the only version that survives being wrong.

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Oct 27, 2024 at 12:47 PM#18
rachel_ABQ said:
Whatever the answer turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, and invite the…

Second this. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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rachel_ABQ said:
Whatever the answer turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, and invite the…

Adding the part of the answer the thread has not reached. The liver data is among the strongest non-weight findings in the class. The semaglutide MASH programme reported a large advantage over placebo on MASH resolution, with a substantial minority also achieving fibrosis improvement — and fibrosis is the endpoint that predicts outcomes. Mechanistically it is reduced hepatic lipogenesis, increased fatty-acid oxidation, less hepatic inflammation, and possibly a direct effect on stellate-cell activation.

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