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Survodutide SYNCHRONIZE Phase 3 — what worked for you?

robert_kc Sun, May 25, 2025 at 12:11 PM 9 replies 1,471 viewsPage 1 of 2
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robert_kc
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May 25, 2025 at 12:11 PM#1

Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get discussed here.

What would genuinely help is knowing whether the liver signal is independent of weight loss or downstream of it, because that determines whether any of this is interesting for someone whose weight is already where they want it.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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May 25, 2025 at 12:17 PM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

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May 25, 2025 at 12:23 PM#3
julia.endo said:
Read four things before the headline number.

Agreed, and subgroup analyses deserve particular suspicion. With enough subgroups something is significant by chance, and pre-registered subgroups are a different animal from ones found afterwards.

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May 25, 2025 at 12:29 PM#4
robert_kc said:
Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get…

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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May 25, 2025 at 12:58 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Glucagon receptor pharmacology in triple agonists (retatrutide), relevant to the glucagon co-agonists: the glucagon component is the most controversial because glucagon traditionally raises blood glucose. So why include it in an anti-obesity drug?

Key insight: glucagon increases energy expenditure (thermogenesis), promotes hepatic lipid oxidation, and reduces appetite through distinct CNS mechanisms. The hyperglycemic effect is counterbalanced by the GLP-1 component's insulin secretagogue action.

Net result: more weight loss through increased expenditure (glucagon) + decreased intake (GLP-1/GIP), with neutral or improved glycemia. An elegant pharmacological balancing act[1].

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[1] Day JW, et al. Nat Rev Drug Discov. 2022;21:37-54.
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