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TB-500 for the shoulder pain that started after weight loss — anyone have experience?

JakeBK_lifts Thu, May 30, 2024 at 1:01 AM 60 replies 2,956 viewsPage 2 of 12
mike.trainer_LA
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May 30, 2024 at 4:27 PM#6
DebRD_ATL said:
PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing.

Amycretin (AMY/GLP-1 dual agonist) emerging data relevant to the pharmacology: Phase 1 showed -13.1% body weight at only 12 weeks, the fastest trajectory ever seen for an anti-obesity agent[1].

Amylin receptor agonism enhances satiety signaling through the area postrema and reduces glucagon secretion. Combined with GLP-1R agonism, this dual mechanism may produce even greater efficacy than current agents.

Early-stage data — interpret with caution. But the trajectory is extraordinary.

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[1] Novo Nordisk investor presentation, September 2023.
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May 30, 2024 at 10:35 PM#7
JakeBK_lifts said:
Reading about receptor desensitisation and trying to work out which of the effects adapt over time and which do not, because people clearly experience…

Pharmacist here. I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

Key points from a pharmacokinetic standpoint:

  • GLP-1 agonists delay gastric emptying, which can affect Tmax of co-administered oral medications
  • Monitor patients on warfarin (INR), levothyroxine (TSH), and oral contraceptives during dose titration
  • The albumin-binding mechanism of semaglutide (C-18 fatty acid linker) gives it the ~168-hour half-life that enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state is reached at approximately 4-5 weeks after dose initiation or adjustment

Re: the pharmacology specifically — the pharmacology here is well-characterized and the clinical implications are straightforward.

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May 31, 2024 at 4:43 AM#8
mike.trainer_LA said:
Amycretin (AMY/GLP-1 dual agonist) emerging data relevant to the pharmacology: Phase 1 showed -13.1% body weight at only 12 weeks, the fastest…

Receptor pharmacology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a GLP-1R agonist with a C-18 fatty acid chain that enables albumin binding (>99%), creating a depot effect with a ~168-hour half-life enabling weekly dosing[1].

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP/GLP-1R agonist with higher GIP affinity (5:1 GIP:GLP-1 potency ratio). The GIP component may enhance beta-cell function and adipocyte lipid metabolism beyond what GLP-1 alone achieves.

For the pharmacology, the pharmacology explains the clinical differences between these agents.

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[1] Lau J, et al. J Med Chem. 2015;58(18):7370-7380.
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May 31, 2024 at 10:51 AM#9

One thing that is still open after laura_annarbor’s answer:

Was that from a primary source or from a summary of one?

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Jun 1, 2024 at 4:17 PM#10

Reporting back.

Closing this out: the trough rather than the peak explains the pattern I was seeing on day six, which I had been blaming on the vial.

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