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LL-37 antimicrobial peptide — looking for input

RunnerRach Sat, Aug 17, 2024 at 5:29 AM 13 replies 1,937 viewsPage 1 of 3
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RunnerRach
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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:29 AM#1

I went looking for why the dosing schedule is what it is and found that almost every practical question on this board has a pharmacokinetic answer nobody states.

Numbers worth memorising for this class: Tmax one to three days for the weekly peptides, terminal half-life about a week for semaglutide and about five days for tirzepatide, steady state at four to five half-lives, subcutaneous bioavailability high enough that site choice is irrelevant.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: which effects tachyphylax and which persist, because the answer explains why tolerability improves while the appetite effect keeps working.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:43 AM#2
RunnerRach said:
I went looking for why the dosing schedule is what it is and found that almost every practical question on this board has a pharmacokinetic answer…

PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing. Semaglutide:

  • Tmax: 24-72 hours post-injection
  • T½: ~168 hours (7 days) — enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state: reached at 4-5 weeks
  • Bioavailability (SubQ): ~89%
  • Volume of distribution: ~12.5L (primarily plasma)

The albumin binding (>99%) is the key pharmacological innovation — creating a sustained-release effect from a single injection. Previous GLP-1 agonists (exenatide) required BID dosing due to rapid clearance.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:57 AM#3
Dr.GastroMayo said:
PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing.

Agreeing with Dr.GastroMayo, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here. Albumin binding above 99% slows clearance enough to make weekly dosing possible; a terminal half-life near a week means four to five weeks to steady state and therefore a four-week titration interval; subcutaneous bioavailability around 89% means injection site barely matters. Those three facts answer most timing questions before they are asked.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 6:11 AM#4
RunnerRach said:
I went looking for why the dosing schedule is what it is and found that almost every practical question on this board has a pharmacokinetic answer…

Mine went the same way, slower.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 7:26 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Receptor pharmacology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a GLP-1R agonist with a C-18 fatty acid chain that enables albumin binding (>99%), creating a depot effect with a ~168-hour half-life enabling weekly dosing[1].

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP/GLP-1R agonist with higher GIP affinity (5:1 GIP:GLP-1 potency ratio). The GIP component may enhance beta-cell function and adipocyte lipid metabolism beyond what GLP-1 alone achieves.

For the pharmacology, the pharmacology explains the clinical differences between these agents.

References:
[1] Lau J, et al. J Med Chem. 2015;58(18):7370-7380.
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