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Efinopegdutide — what worked for you?

marcus_mpls Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 3:39 PM 14 replies 2,111 viewsPage 1 of 3
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marcus_mpls
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Aug 4, 2024 at 3:39 PM#1

My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my material.

What I am after is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases.

I have searched first, so if this is covered somewhere point me at it and I will read it.

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Aug 4, 2024 at 4:13 PM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

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Aug 4, 2024 at 4:47 PM#3
labquiet_amy said:
Read four things before the headline number.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Aug 4, 2024 at 5:21 PM#4
marcus_mpls said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Relative and absolute effects need reading together. A 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit; the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one, and press summaries almost always quote the relative number because it is bigger.

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Aug 4, 2024 at 8:31 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 25,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced all-cause mortality (HR 0.81) over 5 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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