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Pemvidutide vs survodutide — what worked for you?

LeilaHI Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 7:28 AM 9 replies 1,407 viewsPage 1 of 2
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Jul 21, 2025 at 7:28 AM#1

Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get discussed here.

What I actually want to know is whether the liver signal is independent of weight loss or downstream of it, because that determines whether any of this is interesting for someone whose weight is already where they want it.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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LeilaHI said:
Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get…

Glucagon receptor pharmacology in triple agonists (retatrutide), relevant to the glucagon co-agonists: the glucagon component is the most controversial because glucagon traditionally raises blood glucose. So why include it in an anti-obesity drug?

Key insight: glucagon increases energy expenditure (thermogenesis), promotes hepatic lipid oxidation, and reduces appetite through distinct CNS mechanisms. The hyperglycemic effect is counterbalanced by the GLP-1 component's insulin secretagogue action.

Net result: more weight loss through increased expenditure (glucagon) + decreased intake (GLP-1/GIP), with neutral or improved glycemia. An elegant pharmacological balancing act[1].

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[1] Day JW, et al. Nat Rev Drug Discov. 2022;21:37-54.
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Jul 21, 2025 at 8:14 AM#3
JennaRN said:
Glucagon receptor pharmacology in triple agonists (retatrutide), relevant to the glucagon co-agonists: the glucagon component is the most…

That holds where the measurement is reliable. Where it is noisy — and a lot of what gets tracked here is noisy — the same reasoning produces confident nonsense.

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Jul 21, 2025 at 8:37 AM#4
LeilaHI said:
Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get…

Second this.

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Jul 21, 2025 at 10:40 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice. It helps to say which part of this you are uncertain about. A precise question gets a precise answer; a general one gets everybody’s favourite anecdote.

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