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Community poll: What medication are you currently on? — anyone have experience?

mia_MS2 Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:56 AM 9 replies 2,155 viewsPage 1 of 2
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mia_MS2
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Jan 24, 2024 at 4:56 AM#1

I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same direction.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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mike.trainer_LA
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Jan 24, 2024 at 6:17 AM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud. Trial participants get titration by protocol, scheduled contact, free drug and dietetic support; removing that infrastructure costs a few percentage points every time it has been measured. When your own curve sits below the published mean, that is the likeliest explanation before anything about you or your material.

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Jan 24, 2024 at 7:38 AM#3
mike.trainer_LA said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Jan 24, 2024 at 8:59 AM#4
mia_MS2 said:
I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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Jan 24, 2024 at 4:49 PM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 25,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced heart failure hospitalization (HR 0.74) over 5 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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