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Peptide degradation products — what worked for you?

mona_PHX Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 3:56 AM 13 replies 1,843 viewsPage 1 of 3
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mona_PHX
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Aug 30, 2024 at 3:56 AM#1

My pharmacy stopped supplying with three weeks notice and a letter that explained nothing, so I went and read the statute.

What I am trying to establish is why a shortage listing created a legal pathway at all, since a shortage is a supply fact rather than a permission.

Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 4:37 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things. A 503A pharmacy is regulated primarily by the state board, needs a patient-specific prescription, is exempt from CGMP, and may use a bulk substance that has a USP monograph, is a component of an approved drug, or appears on the 503A bulks list — three independent doorways. A 503B outsourcing facility registers with the FDA, is inspected on a risk basis, must comply with CGMP, may compound for office stock without a patient-specific prescription, and has one doorway to a permitted bulk substance: the 503B bulks list, or the drug shortage list.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:18 AM#3
LipidDoc_ATL said:
They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things.

Agreed, and the enforcement dates were staggered by category — 503A first, 503B a few weeks later — because outsourcing facilities have manufactured inventory and clinic contracts to unwind while a 503A makes to order.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:59 AM#4
mona_PHX said:
My pharmacy stopped supplying with three weeks notice and a letter that explained nothing, so I went and read the statute.

Can confirm the pattern mona_PHX describes. Resolution therefore closed the doors unevenly, and the asymmetry follows from the bulks lists. For 503B the shortage clause was the only route to these molecules, so that route shut completely. A 503A pharmacy can still argue a doorway via "component of an approved drug" — but only for the substance in the form present in the approved product, which is exactly where the base-versus-salt argument lives, and it does nothing about the copy restriction, which came back into force on resolution.

Happy to go further on any of that.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 9:48 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Compounding pharmacy customer here with experience relevant to compounded supply.

I've ordered from 2 different compounding pharmacies over the past 2 years. The quality variation is real — purity ranged from 94% to 101% of label claim based on independent Janoshik testing.

My current compounder (a 503B facility) has been consistently 98-101% purity across 10 orders. I pay $161/month vs $1,371 for brand. The savings are substantial and the product is equivalent in my experience.

Re: compounded supply — this applies whether you're using brand or compounded. The clinical principles are the same.

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