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Weekly check-in thread — need advice

greg_boulder Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 2:30 AM 52 replies 2,715 viewsPage 1 of 11
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greg_boulder
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Apr 5, 2024 at 2:30 AM#1

My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my material.

What I actually want to know is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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pete_manc_UK
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Apr 5, 2024 at 2:41 AM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud. Trial participants get titration by protocol, scheduled contact, free drug and dietetic support; removing that infrastructure costs a few percentage points every time it has been measured. When your own curve sits below the published mean, that is the likeliest explanation before anything about you or your material.

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Apr 5, 2024 at 2:52 AM#3
pete_manc_UK said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced stroke risk (HR 0.82) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Apr 5, 2024 at 3:03 AM#4
greg_boulder said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Can confirm the pattern greg_boulder describes. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

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Apr 5, 2024 at 4:03 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.83 (95% CI 0.70-0.83), I²=41%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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