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German private insurance (PKV) vs statutory (GKV) — my results so far

JenPlateau Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:12 PM 14 replies 2,230 viewsPage 2 of 3
Dr.GutHealth
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Apr 18, 2024 at 6:28 PM#6
pete_manc_UK said:
Insurance coverage hack for cost and coverage: if your insurance denies brand Wegovy/Ozempic, consider these alternatives: Prior authorization appeal…

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. The affordability discussion here usually stops at individual tactics. At list price this class is out of reach for most of the people who would benefit, and no amount of appeal strategy changes that — it is a pricing problem wearing a paperwork costume.

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Apr 18, 2024 at 6:57 PM#7
JenPlateau said:
The list price and the price I actually pay differ by a factor of six depending on which of four routes I use, and none of that is transparent from…

Insurance update relevant to cost and coverage: I just got my prior auth approved through UnitedHealthcare after 2 attempts.

What finally worked: a letter from my endocrinologist documenting BMI history (>3 years), failed diet attempts, comorbidities (T2DM + hypertension), and referencing the STEP trial data.

If your PA keeps getting denied, don't give up. Request a peer-to-peer review between your doctor and the insurance medical director. That's what finally broke through for me.

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Apr 18, 2024 at 7:26 PM#8
Dr.GutHealth said:
The affordability discussion here usually stops at individual tactics.
Dr.GutHealth said:
...regarding the discontinuation data for cost and coverage...

I want to reframe the discontinuation narrative. We don't say "insulin fails because blood sugar rises when you stop it." We don't say "antihypertensives fail because BP goes up without them."

Why do we apply different logic to anti-obesity medications? The answer is stigma. We still, unconsciously, believe obesity is about willpower rather than biology. The discontinuation data actually PROVES it's a chronic biological condition requiring ongoing treatment.

This reframing isn't semantic — it has implications for insurance coverage, treatment duration, and patient expectations.

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Apr 18, 2024 at 7:55 PM#9

One thing that is still open after oliver_london’s answer:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Apr 18, 2024 at 10:12 PM#10

Reporting back.

Update: approved on the third attempt after a peer-to-peer. Nothing about my case changed; only who was doing the talking.

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