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GLP-1 for type 1 diabetes as adjunct — need advice

SarahChen_PharmD Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 10:02 PM 40 replies 1,803 viewsPage 1 of 8
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SarahChen_PharmD
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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:02 PM#1

My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my material.

A quick sanity check on any figure quoted here: is it mean or median, is it intention-to-treat or completers, and what was the comparator. Three questions, and they resolve most disagreements in these threads.

What I am after is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases.

Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:13 PM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

Happy to go further on any of that.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:24 PM#3
PeptideChemSF said:
Read four things before the headline number.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 25,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced all-cause mortality (HR 0.81) over 5 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:35 PM#4
SarahChen_PharmD said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. Relative and absolute effects need reading together. A 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit; the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one, and press summaries almost always quote the relative number because it is bigger.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 11:31 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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