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Small molecule vs peptide GLP-1 agonists — what worked for you?

claudia_zurich Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 7:49 AM 20 replies 2,403 viewsPage 1 of 4
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claudia_zurich
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Jan 9, 2024 at 7:49 AM#1

On 25mg oral, four months in, and my results are closer to the low-dose injectable arm than to the numbers being quoted for 50mg.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is how much of the oral variability is the SNAC absorption window and how much is dose, because the two get conflated constantly.

Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

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Dr.AddMedPHL
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Jan 9, 2024 at 10:01 AM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross. That mechanism is fragile: bioavailability is roughly 1% and highly sensitive to gastric contents, so a mouthful of coffee genuinely changes the exposure. This is why the label wants 30 minutes and no more than half a glass of plain water.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 12:13 PM#3
Dr.AddMedPHL said:
Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross.

No disagreement with Dr.AddMedPHL. One condition attached. The absorption variability is real, but it partly averages out over weeks — the steady-state trough is less erratic than any single day would suggest. Where it bites is in the first fortnight, when people conclude the tablet does nothing.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 2:25 PM#4
claudia_zurich said:
On 25mg oral, four months in, and my results are closer to the low-dose injectable arm than to the numbers being quoted for 50mg.

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Orforglipron is the more interesting oral story because it is not a peptide at all. Being a small molecule it does not need SNAC, does not need the fasting window, and has oral bioavailability in the tens of percent rather than about one.

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Jan 10, 2024 at 3:32 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice. The useful move here is to separate what is established from what is widely repeated. Those two sets overlap less than the confident tone of most write-ups suggests, and the second set is where nearly all the disagreement on this board comes from.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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