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⚠ Swiss Chems FDA warning letter December 2024 — looking for input

adam_van Thu, May 16, 2024 at 8:18 PM 20 replies 2,373 viewsPage 1 of 4
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adam_van
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May 16, 2024 at 8:18 PM#1

Six orders from the same supplier over eight months, every one independently tested, and the consistency is the part worth reporting rather than any single result.

The question I want answered is what a vetting checklist should actually contain, as opposed to a list of things that are easy to fake.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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May 16, 2024 at 9:17 PM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion. Synthesis, testing, and cold-chain shipping have floors. A price well under the floor means something was skipped, and the two things that get skipped are testing and content.

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May 16, 2024 at 10:16 PM#3
NeuroNate said:
Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion.

Right, and one flattering data point from a group buy is not consistency. Consistency means separate batches, separately commissioned, over months.

That is the short version; the long version is somebody else's post.

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May 16, 2024 at 11:15 PM#4
adam_van said:
Six orders from the same supplier over eight months, every one independently tested, and the consistency is the part worth reporting rather than any…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product. A bad batch comes with communication, a reshipment offer and a batch number. An exit comes with slower replies, pressure toward less reversible payment methods, sudden discounting, and the same reassurance repeated without any new information. The product tells you less than the correspondence does.

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May 17, 2024 at 4:51 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Vendor reputation tracking for vendor vetting: I maintain a personal spreadsheet with every order I've placed — date, vendor, batch number, Janoshik result, personal efficacy assessment (1-5 scale), and any issues.

After 20 orders across 5 vendors: average purity 97.0%, zero sterility concerns, 0 shipping issues (all resolved). This data gives me confidence in my current source and documentation if issues arise.

I encourage everyone to track their orders systematically. Community data aggregation makes us all safer.

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