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Steady-state concentrations across dose tiers — January 2024

Dr.GastroMayo Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 11:53 AM 11 replies 1,654 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Dr.GastroMayo
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Dec 5, 2024 at 11:53 AM#1

I reconstituted a 10mg vial with 2ml of bacteriostatic water and I want someone to check my unit arithmetic before I draw anything, because I keep getting two different answers.

The narrow version of the question is how to check the arithmetic without trusting a website calculator, since three calculators gave me three answers.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 12:11 PM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. Dead space is the answer to the missing dose. A fixed-needle insulin syringe holds a few microlitres in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out, and on small draws that is a measurable percentage of every dose. Across ten draws it adds up to most of an eleventh, which is exactly the "nine draws from a ten-dose vial" complaint. Luer-lock syringes are worse; low-dead-space fixed-needle designs are better.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 12:29 PM#3
JennaRN said:
Dead space is the answer to the missing dose.

Agreed, and it is worth saying that rounding to the nearest whole unit is usually acceptable at maintenance doses and is not acceptable at the bottom of a ladder, where one unit can be a fifth of the intended dose.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 12:47 PM#4
Dr.GastroMayo said:
I reconstituted a 10mg vial with 2ml of bacteriostatic water and I want someone to check my unit arithmetic before I draw anything, because I keep…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Do it in two steps and it stops being confusing. First concentration: 10mg into 2ml is 5mg/ml. Then volume: a 0.5mg dose is 0.5 ÷ 5 = 0.1ml. Then units, and this is where people go wrong — a U-100 syringe is graduated in hundredths of a millilitre, so 0.1ml is 10 units. The word "units" has nothing to do with milligrams; it is a volume marking that exists because insulin happens to come at 100 units per ml.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 2:23 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Bacteriostatic water quality matters for dosing arithmetic reconstitution. Not all BAC water is created equal:

  • Should contain 0.9% benzyl alcohol as preservative
  • Must be sterile and pyrogen-free
  • Should come in a sealed, intact vial
  • Check expiration date — yes, BAC water expires
  • Store at room temperature, protected from light

I buy from a reputable medical supply company, not Amazon marketplace sellers. The $3 savings isn't worth the infection risk from unverified BAC water.

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