Dr.EM_Chicago said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
No disagreement, though the timescale matters more than the mechanism here. Most of what looks like a difference in kind turns out to be a difference in how long somebody waited.
Dr.GastroMayo said:Right, and one flattering data point from a group buy is not consistency.
Thank you for spelling out the reasoning rather than just the conclusion.
Dr.EM_Chicago said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
I am going to disagree with the direction of travel here. The thread has converged on the tidiest answer rather than the best-supported one, and those are not the same thing.
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Browse GL BiochemOne concrete data point for the thread. One habit that pays for itself: post the method alongside the number. A figure without its method cannot be checked, and an unchecked figure is how this community accumulates folklore.