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Protein shake recommendations that do not taste like chalk — need advice

tampaLisa73 Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:11 AM 13 replies 1,696 viewsPage 1 of 3
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tampaLisa73
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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:11 AM#1

My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat more.

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

What I actually want to know is whether the RDA is the wrong reference entirely during rapid weight loss, and what the actual target should be.

Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:26 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. On a suppressed appetite the winning strategy is protein density per unit of volume, not per calorie. Isolate powders, Greek yoghurt and cottage cheese, egg whites, lean fish, and tinned tuna all deliver a lot of protein in a small physical volume. Front-load it: appetite is usually least suppressed in the first hours after waking and worst on the day or two after dosing, so get the majority in early in the day and early in the week.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:41 AM#3
Dr.GastroMayo said:
On a suppressed appetite the winning strategy is protein density per unit of volume, not per calorie.

True, and anyone with reduced kidney function needs that target set by a clinician rather than a forum. High protein is safe in normal kidneys and is not automatically safe in impaired ones.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:56 AM#4
tampaLisa73 said:
My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 11:14 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass258 lbs218 lbs205 lbs
Fat mass108 lbs78 lbs55 lbs
Lean mass161 lbs145 lbs152 lbs
Body fat %43%31%24%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.5g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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