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Digestive enzyme supplementation — what worked for you?

SurmountFan_IN Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 8:25 AM 36 replies 2,383 viewsPage 1 of 8
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SurmountFan_IN
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Jan 31, 2025 at 8:25 AM#1

I tracked honestly for two weeks and averaged 68g of protein against a target of about 120g. That gap is the whole problem and no meal plan I have found is written for it.

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

The narrow version of the question is how people are hitting a protein target on a genuinely suppressed appetite, because volume is the binding constraint rather than willingness.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 9:17 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:09 AM#3
VendorMark said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

Agreed on the target, with the caveat that reference weight and current weight are different numbers. Using current weight at the start of a large loss produces a target that is both unachievable and unnecessary.

Happy to go further on any of that.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 11:01 AM#4
SurmountFan_IN said:
I tracked honestly for two weeks and averaged 68g of protein against a target of about 120g.

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 3:56 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass274 lbs239 lbs221 lbs
Fat mass124 lbs74 lbs56 lbs
Lean mass162 lbs149 lbs158 lbs
Body fat %43%35%25%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.6g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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