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The 30g protein per meal myth — looking for input

SallyK_inj Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 4:27 PM 54 replies 2,334 viewsPage 1 of 11
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SallyK_inj
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Mar 15, 2025 at 4:27 PM#1

My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat more.

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

What I actually want to know is whether the RDA is the wrong reference entirely during rapid weight loss, and what the actual target should be.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Dr.NutriCornell
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Mar 15, 2025 at 4:58 PM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

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Dr.SportsMedIN
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Mar 15, 2025 at 5:29 PM#3
Dr.NutriCornell said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

True, and anyone with reduced kidney function needs that target set by a clinician rather than a forum. High protein is safe in normal kidneys and is not automatically safe in impaired ones.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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Mar 15, 2025 at 6:00 PM#4
SallyK_inj said:
My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Mar 15, 2025 at 8:50 PM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass265 lbs215 lbs192 lbs
Fat mass95 lbs65 lbs42 lbs
Lean mass148 lbs144 lbs149 lbs
Body fat %42%30%21%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.4g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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